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David Week - Subud as University

Friends who feel uncomfortable about Subud Vision. From Stefan, February 6, 2008. Time 8:14

Hi David,

Among my Subud friends are some who feel uncomfortable about Subud Vision. Some reasons:

<> needing encouragement, finding the critical analysis painful

<> afraid that encouraging a spectrum of ideas our association will end up as a nebulous moosh without any common goals or practices

<> the site promises "vision" but delivers (so far) mostly criticism

I treasure the honesty and independent thinking of the writers and find that in itself inspiring. However I particularly value your suggestion that we move from a "school" model of Subud to that of a University because this offers hope and a positive vision for change.

One feedback (can't remember for which article) suggests a need to thoroughly "de-Bapak" Subud. But even if this were desirable, you can't take the Bapak out of Subud without scaring off most of the dedicated members! (My peers and friends, so I'd hate to see that happen).

For this reason I'm smitten by your image of Subud as a flower: we need to move Bapak's advice from being perceived as the centre of the flower to being a petal.

Subud as University is a concept to inspire those who want carrorts and who rebel against the sticks (harsh critical analysis). Honouring our past and without scapegoating anyone it points us towards the radical changes that are needed to broaden our membership and create a sustainable framework for Subud. This article I'd like to see publicised to Subud members worldwide.

Stefan

From Sahlan Diver, February 8, 2008. Time 16:1

Stefan,

If I may, I'd like to jump in and suggest an answer to the concerns of your Subud friends, namely:

<> needing encouragement, finding the critical analysis painful

<> afraid that encouraging a spectrum of ideas our association will end up as a nebulous moosh without any common goals or practices

<> the site promises "vision" but delivers (so far) mostly criticism

It seems to me this is three ways of expressing the same requirement, that the criticism is focussed into an initiative that can produce a clear, set of commonly acceptable improvements for the future. As you know, just such an initiative has been suggested recently to the editors, and, if agreement is reached on it, may be announced soon,

Sahlan

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